Ottawa City Council on Transit

14Jan09

Below, you will find the entire TransitOttawa.ca liveblog of today’s (and yesterday’s) Ottawa council meeting that, among other things, discussed the ongoing transit strike.

  • 11:16 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – During roll call, Capital Ward councillor Clive Doucet received applause from what looked like a fairly large group of spectators in the audience.
  • 11:20 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mayor O’Brien asks audience not to interrupt procedure of meeting (lots of applause)
  • 11:21 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Innes Ward councillor Bloess wants council to stay out of camera as much as possible because of the importance of the debate to the public
  • 11:22 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Rick O’Connor, city solicitor, suggests providing legal advice to council (meaning they would go in-camera) and discuss ‘mitigation’ options later on
  • 11:23 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bloess has seconder for motion to discuss mitigation before going in-camera
  • 11:23 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Recess!
  • 11:29 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – It certainly is an eerily quiet webcast when council is in recess.
  • 11:29 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Big crowd fills about 10 rows (give or take) of seats in council chambers
  • 11:32 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – This seems like it’s been more than a two-minute recess.
  • 11:32 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Time is money, councillors!
  • 11:34 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Seven people watching this blog, and proceedings are barely underway.
  • 11:34 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – O’Brien is conferring in the back of the chamber. Not sure who with. I need to bone up on municipal backroomers.
  • 11:35 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – They’re back!
  • 11:36 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bloess is on the mic.
  • 11:36 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bloess withdraws motion to avoid going in-camera.
  • 11:37 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – NCC gives presentation on the report recommending a new interprovincial bridge
  • 11:38 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Tim Marc, senior counsel, advises council that they’ve already endorsed the location of a bridge at Kettle Island
  • 11:38 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Also council endorsed no crossings at Lac des Chiens
  • 11:39 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – For reference, these are the councillors at the table:
  • 11:39 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – To be noted: councillor Harder was in a car accident, but was unhurt.
  • 11:40 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Rockcliffe councillor Legendre is drawing an Olympic analogy, and now a speed-limit analogy re: Kettle Island bridge
  • 11:49 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – I really should know more about this Kettle Island proposal. I feel like I can’t contribute to this debate much.
  • 11:49 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Nevertheless, Bloess supports Kettle Island as the bridge’s preferred location
  • 11:50 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Orleans councillor Monette next to speak on the bridge.
  • 11:52 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Monette emphatically supports Kettle Island, citing support from several levels of gov’t, Orleans residents, and Gatineau council
  • 11:53 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – The other location, Lower Duck, looks like this: http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://ottawariverkeeper.ca/images/lower_and_upper_duck_islands_ottawa_river_aug_1991.jpg&imgrefurl=
  • 11:53 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Meanwhile, Kettle Island:
  • 11:55 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Rideau-Vanier councillor Bedard speaks.
  • 11:56 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – “Are we representing the people of Quebec here, or are we representing the people of Ontario … of Ottawa” — Bedard
  • 11:57 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bedard not willing to “settle on Kettle at all costs”. He is councillor for the King Edward corridor, and “doesn’t want to do to another community” what has happened to KE without making sure it is the best option
  • 11:57 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bedard says many of the Kettle strengths “are all on the Quebec side”
  • 11:59 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bedard gets applause for defending the interests of the community affected by a Kettle Island bridge — not his community, by the way.
  • 12:00 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – West Carleton-March councillor El-Chantiry speaks.
  • 12:01 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Council voted for Kettle, he says, and they should stick to it now.
  • 12:02 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Cumberland councillor Jellett says those living east of the greenbelt would be better served by Kettle. “They are citizens of Ottawa, too.”
  • 12:03 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Jellett: enviro assessments have gone on for two years in nine locations along the river. NCC consulted and recommended Kettle. Council should stick to it, he says.
  • 12:04 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Jellett gives his best “The Oxford English dictionary defines a bridge as…” impression.
  • 12:04 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Knoxdale-Merivale councillor Hunter asks “why are we so in love with building another bridge across the Ottawa River”?
  • 12:05 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Answer has been: moving truck traffic out of downtown. Good reason. But enough to justify hundreds of millions of dollars?
  • 12:06 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Hunter says that this bridge will help “other side of the river” — Why does Ottawa want to make it more attractive to live in East Gatineau and then clog Ottawa-side roads?
  • 12:06 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Businesses and residences on “the other side” compete with Ottawa counterparts. Hunter is going to vote against all bridges.
  • 12:08 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Hunter says that MacDonald-Cartier bridge should connect directly to Queensway through Vanier arterial corridor.
  • 12:09 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Beacon Hill-Cyrville councillor Bellemare agrees with Hunter.
  • 12:12 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – According to the agenda, the next item on the agenda is the presentation by city staff to council on “STRATEGIES TO ALLEVIATE EFFECT ON PUBLIC OF ATU STRIKE”
  • 12:12 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – The agenda, by the way, is here:
  • 12:13 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bellemare: Can’t solve congestion problems by downloading congestion on to suburbs
  • 12:13 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bellemare says that a bridge is also needed for Aylmer
  • 12:13 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Council has no power, Bellemare says, and ultimately, decisions are resolved by federal and provincial governments.
  • 12:14 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bellemare cannot support the Kettle proposal.
  • 12:14 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Councillor Harder is at hospital for observation. Won’t be at council today
  • 12:15 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Cullen: no
  • 12:15 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Wilkinson: Yes
  • 12:15 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Oh, they’re voting on calling to question. My fault.
  • 12:15 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – The vote on the proposal is next.
  • 12:15 PM KB – Bridges?? I thought this meeting was supposed to be about the bus strike and getting themm back on the road or discussing how to move forward to get results for an end to the strike? This is ridiculous. City c council is as bad as the union.
  • 12:16 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @KB: The meeting is fairly wide-ranging. The transit issue is coming up soon.
  • 12:17 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – They are voting twice on the proposal after splitting it up.
  • 12:17 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – a. That Council endorse the Interprovincial River Crossings EA Study recommendation that no west end river crossing be carried forward to Phase 2 of this EA Study.b. That no corridors in the west end be designated in the City of Ottawa’s Official Plan for possible future river crossings until 2028, when a new environmental assessment may be undertaken to review the need for such a river crossing.

    c. That the corridor for the Lower Duck option 6 or 7 be protected and included in Phase 2 for evaluation.

    d. That Council endorses the NCC proceeding to Phase 2 of the Interprovincial Crossings EA, as amended by the preceding recommendations.

    e. That the Transportation Committee Chair be directed to communicate via letter to the NCC that future presentations and reports for consideration by the Transportation Committee be supported by complete and translated documentation prior to meeting.

  • 12:17 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – a b d e all passed
  • 12:17 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – on C:
  • 12:19 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – 12 yay, 11 nay on C
  • 12:19 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Motion is carried.
  • 12:19 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Lower Duck option for bridge will not be ruled out.
  • 12:20 PM sa – Sometimes wonder if these guys can agree 100% on anything…
  • 12:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – They’re voting on reconsideration, and need 8 yays to carry.
  • 12:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Only one yay so far.
  • 12:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Two.
  • 12:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Three.
  • 12:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Four.
  • 12:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Five.
  • 12:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Six.
  • 12:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Seven.
  • 12:22 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Eight.
  • 12:22 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Nine.
  • 12:22 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Ten.
  • 12:22 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Eleven.
  • 12:22 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – So reconsideration passes. Anyone know what that means?
  • 12:22 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Doucet is going to respond to concerns about his conduct.
  • 12:23 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Doucet denies meeting with union.
  • 12:23 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bay councillor Cullen says council should go in camera on point of order
  • 12:25 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – O’Brien asks if council “can deal with this whole issue” in-camera
  • 12:25 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Everything but the vote can be done in-camera.
  • 12:25 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Councillor Deans has a motion
  • 12:26 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – I wish I could find a copy of that motion.
  • 12:26 PM sa – As he should.
  • 12:26 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bloess wants not to go in-camera
  • 12:26 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bloess wants Doucet to have a chance to answer his critics
  • 12:27 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Audience claps. But Bloess thinks Doucet “will make himself look stupid”
  • 12:27 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Cullen suggests for clarity of process to have discussion in-camera
  • 12:27 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – And then VOTE in full public view.
  • 12:30 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Question of the Moment: Should Doucet give his defence in public view?
  • 12:30 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Councillor McRae defends Doucet’s right to “freedom of expression”
  • 12:31 PM sa – Hasn’t Doucet made himself look stupid enough already?
  • 12:31 PM sa – Doucet should be accountable to his constituents, many of whom, myself included, think he is making a HUGE mistake.
  • 12:32 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Motion to go in camera
  • 12:32 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Cullen YES
  • 12:32 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Seems as though council is on the way in-camera
  • 12:33 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bloess, Hunter, Jellett, and Monette vote against in-camera session.
  • 12:33 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Five-minute recess.
  • 12:33 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Excuse this liveblogger for a minute. It’s time to pick up some lunch.
  • 12:34 PM sa – So, yes, he should have to defend himself publicly.
  • 12:34 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – While I’m gone, any thoughts about all of these proceedings re: councillor Doucet being dealt with in-camera?
  • 12:34 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Someone have some thoughts. Twenty of you are watching this thing.
  • 12:35 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – (I’ll post any that come up in just a few minutes)
  • 12:52 PM Jonathan Keebler – I noticed the crossposting isn’t working on your WordPress.com. I think the problem is the <!–more–> comment you put in there. We’re working on the bug
  • 12:52 PM Tina – They still in recess?
  • 12:52 PM Aaron – What’s happening?
  • 12:53 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Crossposting isn’t working, but oh well.
  • 12:53 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Also, sorry Jonathan. Didn’t mean to invite you. But hey, join in if you’d like!
  • 12:53 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – They’re still in recess.
  • 12:53 PM citymark – tech question… is there an RSS feed available for this scribble live discussion?
  • 12:54 PM Emma – Do we know when they
  • 12:54 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @citymark Good question. Let me look into that.
  • 12:54 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Emma When they what? When they what?
  • 12:54 PM Emma – Do we know when they’ll be talking about the actual strike?
  • 12:54 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – They might be talking about it now.
  • 12:55 PM citymark – there is a page at but don’t see RSS
  • 12:55 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @citymark Not sure if you can RSS it…
  • 12:56 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – OK, accidentally closed the event for a minute.
  • 12:56 PM gilseg – When the in-camera portion is done, you can watch the proeedings at
  • 12:57 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @gilseg Good point. You can always watch the webcast.
  • 12:59 PM gilseg – while reading Nick’s comment in a separate screen, of course…
  • 12:59 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @gilseg Of course.
  • 1:00 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – FYI, Council is closing in on 30 minutes of in-camera hijinx
  • 1:03 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – This blue screen notifying viewers of an in-camera session is straight out of the 80s
  • 1:03 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – At least on Parliament Hill they play cheesy classical music while proceedings are interrupted
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  • 1:05 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Should we all play a drinking game to pass the time?
  • 1:06 PM gilseg – …the least you could do is offer to share your lunch.
  • 1:06 PM gilseg – (;-D
  • 1:06 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @gilseg My lunch consists of Honey Nut Cheerios. I don’t want to explain.
  • 1:07 PM Jonathan Keebler – There’s an RSS feed of this event here
  • 1:07 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Jonathan Keebler THANKS!
  • 1:08 PM gilseg – So you did a stint with the Hill Times? Exciting, I’ll bet…
  • 1:08 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – A short and sweet stint in the summer of ’07.
  • 1:09 PM Carl Meyer – Eaten about six oranges this morning. The anticipation is, er, pulpable.
  • 1:09 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Carl I’m proud to call you a colleague.
  • 1:09 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – How about we start a pool? How long will they be in camera?
  • 1:09 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Over/under 30 mins…
  • 1:12 PM Carl Meyer – I’ll say over.
  • 1:12 PM gilseg – I’ll say 12:30
  • 1:12 PM sa – 12:26
  • 1:12 PM Tina – I say 1 pm.
  • 1:13 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @sa That’s pretty precise. Who’s your source?
  • 1:14 PM sa – How reporterly of you! lol. Complete guess.
  • 1:16 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – In the meantime, check out this story on how bitterly cold our country is
  • 1:17 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Only in Canada, and possibly eastern Siberia, do you see this kind of quotation: “Toronto was a little warmer, with temperatures at -21 with a wind chill of -29.”
  • 1:17 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – -29 is pretty balmy, to be fair.
  • 1:19 PM citymark – thanks for the RSS feed Jonathan!
  • 1:19 PM Carl Meyer – On the list of things that bring Canadians together: Cynical jokes about the weather
  • 1:20 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – What better way to spend a Tuesday afternoon?
  • 1:20 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – er, Wednesday.
  • 1:23 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – I wonder if they’re hanging Doucet out to dry right now, and, more importantly, if we’ll ever find out.
  • 1:25 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Whatever they’re talking about, we’re closing in on an hour of in-camera.
  • 1:27 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @sa Your guess is unfortunately sunk.
  • 1:28 PM sa – lol, I was just thinking that. Maybe I should have rounded up. 😀
  • 1:31 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Folks, get ready for our first multimedia comment.
  • 1:31 PM Carl Meyer – <object width=’425′ height=’355′><param name=’movie’ value=’http://www.youtube.com/v/D_f3uIzEIxo’></param><param name=’wmode’ value=’transparent’></param><embed src=’‘ type=’application/x-shockwave-flash’ wmode=’transparent’ width=’425′ height=’355′></embed></object>
  • 1:32 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – OK, it looks ugly. Carl, care to explain the link to that movie?
  • 1:32 PM Peter – Considering how long it’s going, I doubt it’s Doucet against the rest of council.
  • 1:33 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Ladies and gentleman, transitottawa.ca founder Peter Raaymakers comments!
  • 1:34 PM Peter – Any bets on who’s on his side?
  • 1:34 PM sa – @Carl. Ha! I have a working commodore 64 in the basement at home.
  • 1:35 PM Carl Meyer – I wrote that I agreed it does look quite 80s and that they should be playing the 1985 Commodore 64 tv jingle in the background. …Not as effective when I explain it
  • 1:36 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – There were some hints about who at least didn’t resent him. McRae sounded sympathetic.
  • 1:39 PM Carl Meyer – And then Nick deleted the terrible looking link! Nice continuity. Anyway back to the observation at hand.
  • 1:39 PM Peter – I’d think McRae would be a safe bet as one of his allies, or at least semi-allies.
  • 1:40 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Cullen seemed at least a little sympathetic, too.
  • 1:41 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Compared to Bloess, anyway, who seemed bent on Doucet embarrassing himself.
  • 1:43 PM sa – www.cbc.ca
  • 1:43 PM Peter – Cullen is tricky. I think he would be sympathetic to what Doucet said, but I don’t think he likes Doucet’s tactics, or him personally (remember the Light Rail Now! presentation?).
  • 1:44 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – In-camera count: 70 minutes.
  • 1:44 PM sa – Still don’t understand why Doucet would take the stand he did. Just lost my vote next election.
  • 1:49 PM sa – THanks for your work liveblogging this Nick. Have to run.
  • 1:49 PM Peter – If you ask me, any negotiating team that isn’t always reassessing their stance is failing at their main responsibility. I’m sure they’ve been reassessing as it’s gone along.
  • 1:50 PM Peter – He said the city needs to reassess their stance on the strike.
  • 1:56 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – One of the most frequent visitors today to transitottawa.ca: the Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton
  • 1:58 PM Peter – Hahahaha… they want to see what we’re saying about them.
  • 1:59 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – At least they recognize our awesome power.
  • 2:05 PM Peter – Maybe they’re laughing at my alliance-projections.
  • 2:05 PM Peter – Anything new? Just the blue in-camera screen?
  • 2:05 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Yup. Still waiting on them to let the world back in.
  • 2:07 PM Peter – I’m glad I’m not waiting outside or anything.
  • 2:07 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Just in case someone is really, really annoyed by this in-camera business: “In Camera Items are not subject to public discussion or audience. Any person has a right to request an independent investigation of the propriety of dealing with matters in a closed session. A form requesting such a review may be obtained, without charge, from the City’s website or in person from the Chair of this meeting.”
  • 2:08 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – That passage is at the bottom of today’s agenda and, one assumes, every council agenda
  • 2:18 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Nearing two hours in-camera
  • 2:25 PM Peter – Wow. This is intense. I don’t know what to expect when we’re finally out of camera.
  • 2:29 PM Peter – Nick, what do you think they’re talking about right now? This can’t be personal bickering. They’re making decisions, or at least debating decisions. Any thoughts on what might come out of this two-plus hour in-camera session?
  • 2:31 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – If they’re talking about more than just Doucet’s conduct and have decided to mull over the options that city staff are presenting them (and the legal advice that follows), that could account for the last two hours.
  • 2:31 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – My sense before they went in-camera was that O’Brien wanted to discuss as much as possible in-camera and then, according to the rules, vote on anything out of camera when the public can witness it.
  • 2:36 PM Peter – This could go on for a few hours longer, then. So much for a 30-minute over/under.
  • 2:40 PM Peter – To pass the time, any interesting transit minds: “We need more freeway lanes, not mass transit”, fro mthe Standard-Examiner, available:
  • 2:59 PM Peter – Or, a good idea that Ottawa can run with once (if?) transit service resumes: “TTC launches ‘e-alerts’ for riders”, from the Toronto Star
  • 3:04 PM ja – nay news?
  • 3:04 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – No news.
  • 3:05 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Still a blue screen.
  • 3:17 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Just in case anyone is wondering, council is still in-camera.
  • 3:32 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – I’m amazed that 24 people have this window open, since it’s been 3 hours since council sent non-councillors and exempt staff out of the chambers.
  • 3:42 PM CB – The joy of tabbed browsing 😉
  • 3:45 PM Ian – Hey, it doesn’t get more exciting than blue screens.
  • 3:45 PM Klaus Beltzner – Lets see if they come back with a new negotiating team and or spokesperson
  • 3:45 PM dave0 – That, and without bus service, some of us have a lot more spare time.
  • 3:45 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Klaus It could well be that just down the street, a coup d’etat is underway.
  • 3:59 PM Peter – That would make interesting news. If we come out of several hours of in-camera session with nothing new but a gag order on councillors, I will be disappointed.
  • 4:07 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – The Citizen has some information about a heated exchange outside of council chambers
  • 4:08 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – From the story:
    “After the meeting was closed to the public, things got a little rowdy outside the chambers we Debbie Jodoin, a right leaning political activist, confronted several dozen union members.She told the workers she had “no respect” for them, that they were selfishly holding the city hostage with their unrealistic demands, and that taxpayers support the city.

    Ms. Jodoin, a failed municipal candidate, said she felt she had to show up at the meeting in order “show the drivers that the disrespect they are showing taxpayers won’t be tolerated.””

  • 4:10 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – This CBC story has some insight into why STO won’t go on strike
  • 4:11 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – From that story:
    “Jean-François Tremblay, who has worked as a mediator between the STO and its drivers in the past, said there has never been a strike at the STO since the company was created in 1971 as the Commission de transport de la Communauté régionale de l’Outaouais (CTCRO).He credited a major difference between the two companies — Ottawa’s transit company, OC Transpo, is a city-run department, while the STO is an independent body.

    Consequently, politicians stay away from the negotiations.”

  • 4:16 PM Peter – The Ottawa Transit Commission… doesn’t sound so bad.
  • 4:24 PM Klaus Beltzner – I see the problem as an continuing lack of trust between management and the drivers/mechanics. Alain’s attempts to build trust have fallen short and may have made matters worse, not better.
  • 4:25 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Oh boy, another milestone! Almost four hours in-camera.
  • 4:32 PM Peter – Klaus, you certainly may be on to something. I don’t think there is any doubt that the union and the city have trust issues.
  • 4:47 PM Klaus Beltzner – And without trust, it may well be best to remove the scheduling item, and with it all the City’s inducements to have the union accept that which they won’t accept. I worry that if scheduling is not taken off the table and in the unlikely event the City wins, driver unhappiness will result in greater workplace conflicts. But I don’t see the drivers budging on this item, not after their last vote.
  • 4:54 PM Peter – I think that whatever happens with the scheduling issue, it’s clear that the current management situation is not working with its current structure. Whether or not a transit utility independent of the city would solve that problem, or create entirely new ones, is another story, but I don’t think it can or should continue as-is.
  • 5:09 PM Klaus Beltzner – I completely agree with you Peter
  • 5:15 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – We can only hope discussions in council chambers are anything like those between Peter and Klaus.
  • 5:23 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Question: How many of the estimated 200 ATU members in attendance at council this morning will be there when the in-camera session ends?
  • 5:33 PM Klaus Beltzner – Good point, is there anyone on-site to see? Where did they park their cars? If at City Hall, they will all be paying $12 and more after 6:00 p.m. Councillors park free.
  • 5:34 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – I’m just a couple blocks away, actually, but I’ve been reluctant to leave this place in case things start up again.
  • 5:41 PM dave0 – Probably most of them. After all, it’s not like they have to go to work or anything.
  • 6:15 PM Craig Davey – Request an investigation of this and other secret meetings at
  • 6:26 PM Klaus Beltzner – I just got an e-mail back from How much longer behind closed doors? -Klaus. A few hours yet.
    Alex Cullen
    Councillor, Bay Ward
  • 6:31 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – To confirm, readers, that comment from Klaus does quote genuine correspondence with councillor Cullen.
  • 6:39 PM Peter Raaymakers – Hello everyone, I’ll be taking over chief live-blogging responsibilities here while Nick heads out to take some photos of the happenings at council.
  • 6:43 PM Jonathan Keebler – The torch has been passed 🙂
  • 6:47 PM Peter Raaymakers – Here’s a talking point, that relates to a recent point on the website: Should public transit be declared an essential service?
  • 7:04 PM Klaus Beltzner – 1. A core transit service is essential; the whole transit service with all the routes and runs is not.A core service is essential to permit seniors to get to their doctor appointments and buy groceries. (health and safety)

    A core service is essential to permit minimum wage/shift workers to earn a livelihood and students to go to classes (health and safety)

    A core service is essential to permit those who do not own a car to buy groceries, get to doctors appointments, visit ailing parents in hospitals and nursing homes. (health and safety).

    2. A core transit service needs to be defined by the City

    The City must be ordered to define the core transit service to be provided in oder to meet the health and safety requirements above.

    The City must be ordered to have a plan in place to publicize and deliver this core service in the event of a labour dispute, snow or other serious weather event, or other emergency when full service cannot be provided.

    3. A core transit service needs to deliverable

    The City must have various contingency plans in place to deliver the defined core transit service in the event of a labour dispute, snow or other serious weather event, or other emergency when full service cannot be provided.

  • 7:09 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – There are still a few dozen people hanging around outside the council chambers at City Hall. A lot of them look like staffers for councillors. Union leaders, including boss Andre Cornellier, are also sticking around.
  • 7:09 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Lots of media, too, as the 6 p.m. news came on.
  • 7:10 PM Peter Raaymakers – Get in behind any live camera feeds?
  • 7:12 PM Peter Raaymakers – Also, insightful points, Klaus; similar to what I said when the question was posed on Talk Ottawa several weeks ago. Transit is an essential service for some people, so–as you say–perhaps the city needs to determine what, exactly, is the most essential for transit in our city to prevent the most vulnerable people from taking the hit for work stoppages. Any idea how they do that?
  • 7:36 PM Peter Raaymakers – Pretty soon I’ll have a tough decision to make: Watch the Senators game on TSN, or continue monitoring the city council meeting?
  • 7:42 PM Klaus Beltzner – As I described it below, a core transit service will need to provide bus service on many “all day” routes, primarily in the city’s core neighbourhoods and along major streets inside the greenbelt. That is where reliance on transit is the greatest.As noted, core transit service would not be as frequent a service as regular service, but the hours of coverage would not change.

    Core service would also include basic transitway long-haul service to connecting city centres and offering a way for low wage workers to get to within walking distance of most workplaces.

    The O-Train (and LRT service once implemented) would form part of the core transit service

  • 7:47 PM Klaus Beltzner – But what about now – not the future?The immediate action I recommend to the City is to launch a Mobility Assistance Program to provide rides to the working poor, students, seniors and community volunteers.

    Program Components:

    a. Assistance to Seniors and Community Volunteers

    The City’s 3-1-1 and Para-Transpo dispatch to be used to schedule requests for rides and dispatch drivers.

    This component relies on volunteers driving city vehicles.

    Starting point for recruitment of volunteers is to appeal to accredited volunteer drivers recruited by the IIHF World Juniors. Additional drivers to be recruited using the IIHF methodology and coordinating volunteers. Contact the IIHF Volunteers for more information. (e-mail: volunteerottawa2009@hockeycanada.ca)

    Volunteer drivers need to be insured by the City and drive City vehicles or vehicles loaned to the City for this purpose (as was the case with the IIHF).

    b. Assistance to Students

    This component is a grant program to Schools (Public, Secondary, Post-Secondary) for a coordinated school bus and shuttle bus service administered by the Schools. The post-secondary institutions are currently operating a coordinated shuttle bus service – the City could provide additional funding. As for public and secondary school bus service, the City could provide additional funding for school buses on a case by case basis, as needed.

    c. Assistance to the working poor

    Many of the working poor have part time jobs (shift work). Many of these jobs are in retail plazas throughout the City. The City could ask BIAs to coordinate transportation requirements between retail plazas for their workers and apply for funding to deliver BIA shuttle bus services for their employees.

    Under such arrangements, BIA shuttle bus routes would connect all major Shopping Centres/Retail Zones in Ottawa.

  • 7:50 PM Peter Raaymakers – If I’m not mistaken, council representatives have met or have arranged to meet with post-secondary schools in the city to discuss possible city subsidies for their student shuttles. Although it hasn’t happened yet, to my knowledge, it is under way–which speak to point b in Klaus’ comment.Points a and c, however, I’m not privy to further information, although there’s no doubt that those segments of the population need some help.
  • 8:05 PM Craig Davey – We need name for this, the longest of Ottawa transit strikes. The “5 cent bus strike” was a pretty good name back in the day. What should we call the 2008–2009 strike?
  • 8:11 PM Peter Raaymakers – The Hundred Years Strike?
    It seems like that, anyway.
  • 8:20 PM Klaus Beltzner – The “penny wise, pound foolish transit strike”.According to analyst Barry Nabatian (Citizen Jan 12th/09 – Transit Strike has cost $280 million), the strike is costing “roughly $8 million a day in forgone retail sales, wages and reduced productivity” while the City is “saving about $3 million a week in salaries, fuel and maintenance of the buses.
  • 8:45 PM Klaus Beltzner – Anyone care to factually explain the scheduling issue in terms of what exactly the city proposes, how it is different from what we have now, who it is intended to benefit, who are the winners and losers and by how much.Also, I have read the union executive saying that the proposed changes would increase the shift spread to 16 hours and the City saying it is guaranteeing that the spread would not be more than 13.5 hours. Who is right and does the proposed change actually increase the “average” spread, the worst case spread and the best case spread?

    And, anyone know why the City is so determined to combine shift pieces into a workday for drivers to chose from rather than having the drivers chose the components that make up their workday?

  • 8:49 PM Craig Davey – I believe the ATU position on spreads is that they don’t want them to exceed 12 hours. As I understand it 12 hours is the current limit. It has been reported that the city wants to increase the maximum spread to 13.5 hours.
  • 8:50 PM Peter Raaymakers – This scheduling issue has become so polluted and politicized that it seems almost impossible to make heads or tails of it.I have heard the same thing about the spread, though; the city looking to increase the possibility for split-shifts to eight hours within a 13.5-hour period, while the ATU wants to preserve the spread at eight hours within a maximum 12-hour window.
  • 8:53 PM Craig Davey – With spreads I think it boils down to:
  • 8:54 PM Peter Raaymakers – Anyone else think that once they exit the in-camera session, it will be a bang-bang-bang series of votes on issues whose debate we’ll have missed entirely?
  • 8:59 PM Craig Davey – Yes, I expect quick and vague public display. Possibly preceded by a break for dinner.
  • 8:59 PM Klaus Beltzner – Yes, they will not re-debate the issues, especially given the hour and their “wish” to demonstrate solidarity (which is hard to do when debating).
  • 8:59 PM Klaus Beltzner – And if this is what happens, who is prepared to raise an official objection?
  • 9:01 PM Peter Raaymakers – Well, should that prove to be the case, I will certainly submit an application for information on the debate that happened. And if I am successful, you can expect the information to be available on TransitOttawa.ca within short order.
  • 9:08 PM David Reevely – @Klaus Here’s a backgrounder we at the Citizen put together on the issues: The two sides’ claims are difficult to test, since it’s all hypothetical and there aren’t many people with expertise who don’t have a horse in the race.
  • 9:18 PM Klaus Beltzner – Thanks David. I had read your backgrounder; I was hoping that there was an objective test based on the actual language used by the City in its proposed changes.
  • 9:27 PM David Reevely – Trouble is, there’s what the contract language says, plus relevant labour law that’s not spelled out in the agreement, and then there’s how the system actually works on the ground — with workarounds and unwritten understandings and accommodations and things that make workers and managers crazy but that they live with. And in this case, both sides are talking about proposed changes to the system that haven’t actually been tried. Finding an objective truth in all that, something that says “X and Y and Z will certainly happen,” is something we, at least, haven’t managed to pull off yet.
  • 9:27 PM Brett – Is anyone covering the SE back stairs from the Council chamber to the parking garage? How many of the weasels are quickly going to sneak out there at the end, to escape from the public and media ?
  • 9:39 PM Craig Davey – Is Cornellier still in the house?
  • 9:39 PM Peter Raaymakers – I wish I knew. There were apparently 200 or so ATU members; I wonder if they’re still at the meeting, waiting for it to come out of camera.
  • 9:42 PM Craig Davey – Has anyone found any free wifi in or around City Hall?
  • 9:42 PM Alayne – I ca think of very few routes that *aren’t* core to someone. If you want to say the route 160 in Kanata isn’t core, for example, be prepared to defend that to someone who works at Alcatel.
  • 9:43 PM Peter Raaymakers – I’m not in the area, but when we tried to live-blog the U-Pass discussion, it didn’t work because our reporter, Emma Godmere, wasn’t able to get any WiFi access in City Hall.
  • 9:48 PM Klaus Beltzner – @ David:So we come right back to the issue of trust and cooperation. Without this, nothing works.

    Regrettably Mr. Mercier’s attempts to build trust have fallen short and may have made matters worse, not better.

    Certainly his sitting next to Mayor Larry O’Brien and Kent Kirkpatrick at last Friday’s press conference when the announced layoff of unionized OC administrative staff was made did not help, nor Alain’s You tube video and “voice message” sent to each driver’s telephone electronically.

  • 10:01 PM Peter Raaymakers – Anyone interested, Dean McAmmond just scored to give the Senators a 3-2 lead.
  • 10:03 PM Peter Raaymakers – Klaus, David: Is there any way to rediscover the lost trust between the two sides?At this point, is it so personal that neither side wants to trust the other side?
  • 10:05 PM Klaus Beltzner – Yes, if both want to end the strike without having to lose.
  • 10:12 PM Klaus Beltzner – ..then they will work together to find a solution that works for both
  • 10:23 PM Peter Raaymakers – I am in the process of filling out the “Request for Investigation of Closed Meeting” right now.
  • 10:23 PM Peter Raaymakers – Even if the meeting in question has not even finished yet.Is it just me, or is this getting a little ridiculous?
  • 10:33 PM Klaus Beltzner – Councillors may be deadlocked over what to do. Perhaps it would be helpful to point out that everyone is sick and tired of hearing that the “City is saving about $3 million a week in salaries, fuel and maintenance of the buses”!!!This makes it sound like a benefit when in fact it is dereliction of duty!! It is negligence! It is a failure! They have our money to do a job. The people and businesses of this city depend on the city to do this job. Failing to do this job is not a “savings”, it is costing the City economy $8 million a day.

    And to help the Union get the point of settling, we could start pointing out just how many years they will have to work to recoup the wages they have lost on this strike.

  • 10:34 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Anyone know for sure that this meeting is still going? I just walked through City Hall and, while the “in-camera session” signs were still up, no one was around except for floor cleaners.
  • 10:34 PM Jon D. – Meeting still ongoing?
  • 10:40 PM Kevin – Might it not be best if both sides just agreed to a binding arbitor and hashed things out that way? At the lest, the negiotiating will have started again.
  • 10:41 PM Peter Raaymakers – We’re looking into whether or not the meeting is ongoing, but all signs (or at least the City’s webcast) point to Council still being in their in-camera session.
  • 10:43 PM Peter Raaymakers – @Klaus: I’m of the mind that the city isn’t saving $3M per week because of the strike; they are profiting $3M per week from the strike.If they turn around and use those savings in trying to mitigate the costs for citizens (including subsidizing school shuttles, investing more into Para Transpo services, taxi chits, and so on), it’s slightly more acceptable.
  • 10:46 PM Peter Raaymakers – @Kevin: That might be best; on thing is certain, though, and that’s that resuming negotiations would be the absolute best, no matter how it’s done.
  • 10:49 PM Kevin Reavely – Totally agree! But who is going to step forward first. Seems this is turning into a personal conflict of personalities between the Mayor and the leader of the ATU, Andre Corniellea. Pardon the spelling….
  • 10:52 PM H – Disagree! The City is paying high prize for local business loss.
  • 10:56 PM Peter Raaymakers – Breaking news, from the Ottawa Sun: “Union threatens to picket Para Transpo”
  • 10:56 PM Jon D. – It seems we’re not the only ones waiting. According to CFRA “Cornellier is also blasting Council for meeting behind closed doors, saying union members plan to wait at City Hall until the meeting re-opens to the public.”
  • 10:58 PM Peter Raaymakers – Is anyone else imagining Cornellier sitting at his computer with a few friends around him, watching the City’s compelling “Council is currently in-camera; Council webcast will resume following the in-camera” screen, and absolutely stewing?
  • 11:00 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – CFRA is reporting that the meeting is over.
  • 11:01 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – O’Brien gave a statement, took no questions.
  • 11:01 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Some councillors were seen on the second floor.
  • 11:01 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Council will meet tomorrow at 11 a.m.
  • 11:01 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – As CFRA says, “again behind closed doors”
  • 11:02 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – CFRA also reports that Para Transpo might get picketed by ATU members.
  • 11:02 PM Kevin Reavely – Peter, I’m afraid Cornellier would be more than stewing……….. he’d be at full boil. !
  • 11:02 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – The report on CFRA gave no indication exactly when the meeting ended, but it clearly wasn’t made very obvious to those waiting outside the chamber.
  • 11:03 PM Peter Raaymakers – So that’s it.
  • 11:03 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – We can only guess that the City’s webcast is still showing the blue in-camera screen because, when they meet tomorrow, they will continue in-camera.
  • 11:03 PM Brett – looks to me like the Council weasels successfully outwaited the Ottawa Citizen and Sun 10 PM print deadlines…
  • 11:04 PM Peter Raaymakers – The Sun hasn’t gone to print yet, the Sens game isn’t over.
  • 11:05 PM Peter Raaymakers – Oh… wait, now it is. Sens win 3-2, and no doubt the Sun has gone to print.
  • 11:06 PM Jon D. – I wish someone would photoshop that photo of Andre on vote date to look like that evil lord from the original star wars:
  • 11:06 PM Kevin Reavely – 2 Wins in a row………….. We’re on a roll here!
  • 11:07 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – The union’s threat to picket Para Transpo, straight from the horse’s mouth
  • 11:07 PM Carl Meyer – Hey guys, great job on this. Looking forward to more coverage.
  • 11:07 PM Peter Raaymakers – I’m about to head out, folks, but Nick is prepared to resume this live-blog tomorrow for the 11:00 a.m. resumption of council. Hopefully the in-camera session is relatively quick, so that council can get out of camera and we can see what the heck they’ve been talking about.
  • 11:15 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Indeed. We will return late tomorrow morning with more from City Hall.
  • 11:51 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Welcome to Day 2 of TransitOttawa.ca’s liveblog of Ottawa City council’s deliberations on how to end the current transit strike, now in its 38th day.
  • 11:52 AM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – For Peter’s summary of yesterday’s events, please visit here
  • 12:03 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – And for a picture of the crowd gathered outside of council chambers this morning, please visit here
  • 12:03 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – You can also watch the council webcast here
  • 12:04 PM Chad – I really do expect that city council should come out of this ridiculously long closed door meeting with some useful action on the strike besides their largely inadequate efforts as of late to provide commuting assistance to those in need
  • 12:05 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Chad We’ll see how long they stay behind closed doors today.
  • 12:06 PM Craig Davey – I’m expecting them to go right into another closed door session.
  • 12:07 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Crag That’s no surprise. I was at City Hall a few minutes ago, and the in-camera postings and curtains are still up. Council will definitely start the day behind closed doors.
  • 12:07 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – There is also a small gathering of spectators and some news-hungry photographers.
  • 12:09 PM Craig Davey – @Nick, thanks for the update.
  • 12:09 PM Chad – Any speculation about disciplinary measure to be taken against Counciller Doucet. Personally, I am glad that someone finally spoke out against the overly-long suspension of communication between the city and union.
  • 12:10 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Chad It’s hard to speculate.
  • 12:11 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – If anyone is having trouble loading today’s webcast, you’re not alone.
  • 12:11 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – I’m on hold with the City, and they’re looking into why we can’t watch at least the infamous blue in-camera screen.
  • 12:12 PM Craig Davey – The live webcasts have never worked for me. (archives work some of the time)
  • 12:15 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – The City referred me to Rogers, who apparently runs the webcast independently.
  • 12:18 PM Wassim – Regarding Chad’s comment. I also think it is ridiculous that the two sides are not even sitting to negotiate something. It is one thing to have a work stoppage. It is another to simply do nothing while thousands of Ottawans are stranded.
  • 12:20 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Rogers was a dead end — or is for now. Here’s hoping the webcast is up and running soon.
  • 12:26 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Hmm, fire alarm in my building. Back soon, I hope.
  • 12:37 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – How can a fire alarm sound because of problems with pipes? Welcome to frigid Centretown, Ottawa.
  • 12:41 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Not to slow this liveblog down to a crawl, but I’m going to head back to City Hall to see what’s the deal.
  • 12:42 PM Peter Raaymakers – As for speculations, I think we’ll see a quick succession of votes as soon as they leave their in-camera sessions. Which means we won’t get to see much (if any) of the debate on the issues.
  • 12:50 PM Peter Raaymakers – Is anyone watching Rogers 22 for the telecast?
  • 12:54 PM Chad – As long as we see some useful action from city hall I will be happy. Get back to the bargaining table!
  • 12:54 PM Mel – Unfortunately 22 is not showing the meeting right now
  • 12:54 PM Chad – Hmmm, It doesn’t look like channel 22 is broadcasting it.
  • 12:56 PM Peter Raaymakers – Darn, and I can’t access the webcast while at work. Hopefully Nick gets back soon with an update of what’s happening at council; Councillors and media said the in-camera session should resume at 11 a.m., so they should be in there now.
  • 1:00 PM Mel – What confuses me is that CTV news showed a clip of the meeting going on between all the mayors of Canada, and Mayor O’Brien was there…
  • 1:04 PM Peter Raaymakers – I’m writing an article for the website, and I’m just curious: Are there people here who have found alternate transportation arrangement in the strike, and won’t be going back to buses when the strike ends?
  • 1:07 PM Chad – I was actually betting on the strike being settled by February as I won’t have access to alternate transportation by then.
  • 1:08 PM Klaus Beltzner – I called Pierre-Alain Bujold, Media Relations Spokesperson, Treasury Board of Canada, Media Relations(613) 957-2640 to ask him about the impact of the transit strike on the productivity of federal government workers in Ottawa. Mr. Bujold told me that there are no studies being conducted or planned with respect to the impact of the strike on the PS and productivity in government in Ottawa offices.

    He also referred me to Public Works regarding anything to do with changes in on-site parking, and to individual departments with respect to car-pooling parking priorities.

    When I asked if the there has been any changes with respect to the Government’s Telework Policy, specifically if TBS sent a note asking departments to review the policy in light of the strike, Pierre-Alain said no, that the policy implementation is a responsibility delegated down to individual managers and that there is no reporting required back to TBS on this program. (Reference: TBS Telework Policy: )

    Mr. Bujold said he would not be surprised if there was more use made of this policy during the strike, and again, I would have to contact individual departments etc.

    So, TBS does not see itself as being responsible for measuring productivity impacts on its offices or services, or be concerned about what impact the transit strike has on productivity on the PS in Ottawa.

  • 1:09 PM Chad – One thing I feel that hasn’t been discussed at all is the environmental impact of this strike.
  • 1:12 PM Peter Raaymakers – @Chad: Valid point. How many extra tonnes of exhaust have been released into the atmosphere, as a result of extra cars on the road?
  • 1:16 PM Peter Raaymakers – @Klaus: I would be very interested in seeing any studies performed. I know some people whose supervisors have given some leniency, but nothing of significance.
  • 1:18 PM Chad – Maybe there haven’t been any articles detailing the environmental impact because it seems so obvious… though I wouldn’t mind seeing some data and numbers.
  • 1:21 PM Peter Raaymakers – It’s also likely quite difficult for a local news agency to have the resources to collect such difficult data. The best numbers would be rough estimates, and even then they would be difficult to interpret.
  • 1:27 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – I just got back from City Hall, where an official outside council chambers told me that today’s proceedings did start at 11, and they are ongoing. (I can confirm this because I saw some reflections on a wall through the curtains.)
  • 1:27 PM Peter Raaymakers – Thanks for the update, Nick!
  • 1:50 PM Jon D. – I was listening to CHEZ last night around 10, and a young woman called in saying she saw a OCTranspo bus driving along Heron near Russell with an “out of service” sign. Normally, this wouldn’t be news but….
  • 1:52 PM Peter Raaymakers – Weird… I wonder what it was doing and where it was going. Has anyone heard if the city is still renting out buses for charter use? I don’t know if that’s possible, with mechanics on strike.
  • 1:52 PM Chad – Is someone hijacking buses now?
  • 1:53 PM D – At the very least this lengthy meeting suggests we’ll see some changes. It doesn’t take over 10 hours to agree with the Mayor (or to rearrange furniture).
  • 2:01 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – CFRA reports that Transport minister Baird says that a federal back-to-work bill to force the union back on the job is unlikely
  • 2:05 PM Craig Davey – Ottawa Citizen: Council resumes closed-door session on transit strike
  • 2:08 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – It’s funny the discrepancies that exist when it comes to council meetings. Some councillors gave Peter conflicting accounts of when yesterday’s meeting ended in e-mails last night, and an official today gave me a different starting time than was reported in the Citizen story Craig posted below.
  • 2:08 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 2:09 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – One astute viewer of this blog suggested that song as TransitOttawa’s theme song.
  • 2:11 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Let’s hope such a protracted strike is something that never, ever, ever happens to this city again.
  • 2:11 PM Kevin Reavely – Jon D: Perhaps the bus that was seen on heron and Heron roads was being driven by a person from management, either coming or going for a coffee trip to Tims. These buses are being started and moved on some kind of rotational basis to avoid mechcanical problems from being sitting so long idle. Brakes seize up, batteries go dead, engines seize up, etc etc. This is just a thought and not neccessarily the actual reason.
  • 2:15 PM Craig Davey – Live Journal has Kevin’s back
  • 2:19 PM Craig Davey – Ottawa Sun: Transitways likely to stay closed – Insurance, policing concerns discussed behind Council’s closed doors
  • 2:23 PM Craig Davey – Ottawa Sun: City proposal ‘big change’ to schedule, says union
  • 2:24 PM Chad – I am sick of the lack of leadership and political will displayed by politicians at all levels of goverment. Everyone is saying what they can’t do… noone is presenting any solutions.
  • 2:27 PM Craig Davey – Ottawa Sun: No transit tough trick for escorts
  • 2:27 PM Peter Raaymakers – I’m not at all surprised that the Transitways will stay closed to regular cars. Having any significant degree of traffic on them is just a bad idea.
  • 2:28 PM Craig Davey – Ottawa Sun: No transit tough trick for escorts
  • 2:30 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Craig There’s an angle you don’t often see.
  • 2:31 PM Craig Davey – Ottawa Sun: Councillors zip lips – Union fumes as council huddles in secret strategy talks
  • 2:32 PM Peter Raaymakers – If the Sun is getting news on what is being discussed in the meetings… does anyone know if council has come out of camera?
  • 2:35 PM Craig Davey – I don’t think they have come out of camera yet. I think the Sun has been getting some communications from people moving in and out of the meeting. At least that’s what their reporting suggests.
  • 2:35 PM Craig Davey – Ottawa Sun: ‘Scabs’ will face pickets: Union – Strikers threaten to target ParaTranspo, student shuttles
  • 2:43 PM Craig Davey – Letters to the Editor of the Ottawa Sun: Roland Stieda’s daughter notices that all the lights at the transit stations are still on. (lots of other letters too)
  • 2:45 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – I’m going to head back to City Hall in just a little while to witness something — anything — that might be going on. But my guess is that until they come out of the in-camera session, only sources like the Sun and the Citizen with contacts drifting in and out will have much to report
  • 2:48 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – For those viewers who are unaware, frequent contributor Craig Davey is behind this popular and wickedly useful (though not particularly at the moment, given the strike) website
  • 2:48 PM Peter Raaymakers – I wonder what the could do about the lights; they may be a health and safety issue.
  • 2:53 PM Craig Davey – CTV Ottawa: City council back behind closed doors (lots of tidbits in the video)
  • 2:53 PM Craig Davey – They may be leaving the lights on at stations for the shuttles that are use the transitway.
  • 2:53 PM David Reevely – Para Transpo issue appears to be solved:
  • 2:53 PM David Reevely – www.ottawacitizen.com
  • 2:54 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @David Thanks for the update, straight from the Citizen!
  • 2:55 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – From that Citizen piece: There’s no end to the transit strike in sight, but the city and union have agreed that the municipality can hire temporary workers to boost Para Transpo services.The special service for people who have difficulties getting around has been swamped with calls since the strike began as people who are able to use regular transit but qualify for the special service switch to what’s available.

    The city and officials at the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 279 had been at odds over the temporary hires, but after the city agreed the new drivers would be members of the ATU’s ParaTranspo local, the union dropped its objection to the move.

  • 2:55 PM David Reevely – We aim to serve. (Sorry about the needless extra post, though.)
  • 2:56 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – On the university shuttles:
    And union officials are still saying they will picket shuttle services set up to colleges and universities in the municipality, if university officials accept funding from the city to run the shuttles. However, this looks unlikely.
  • 3:01 PM mercurygrove – Working on a new OC Transpo Travelplanner
  • 3:02 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Question to readers: Anyone know who is mercurygrove on Twitter? I’m wondering about this new OC Transpo Travelplanner.
  • 3:05 PM David Reevely – Small tech firm:
  • 3:18 PM Alayne – Re the environmental impact of this strike: that’s not hard. Look at the recent data from the National Capital Air Quality Mapping project and compare it to earlier data (the project started in Feb. 2008). Also look at http://www.airqualityontario.com/reports/summary.cfm to get current Ottawa data and compare that to the historical data at . My conclusion is that there is a NOTICEABLE difference for the “Ottawa Downtown” readings for 20 days before the strike and since the strike (and between December 2007 and December 2008). Not much difference for “Ottawa Central” though — is that the sensor at Carling & Kirkwood? Perhaps it’s effectively maxed out already.
  • 3:19 PM Craig Davey – I guess O’Brien missed this meeting with other Mayors
  • 3:20 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Big City Mayors’ meeting concluded and they released this statement
  • 3:25 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – This column by David Reevely on the Citizen website is worth a read
  • 3:40 PM Brett – MercuryGrove.com: “We develop smart web-based business solutions that include website strategy and development, email marketing programs, customer relationship management,..”
  • 3:40 PM David Reevely – @ Alayne: I’d prefer to be able to compare year-over-year data — and ideally more than one year.
  • 3:45 PM Alayne – @David: If you go to you can compare 2006, 2007, and 2008 data (as I previously said).
  • 3:47 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – BREAKING NEWS: We have a blue in-camera screen at the City’s council webcast
  • 4:00 PM David Reevely – @ Alayne Still not sure it’s enough, but definitely worth a look. Thanks.
  • 4:03 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – In the bizarre-quotes-of-the-day file, an Ottawa woman quoted in an Ottawa Sun story about cancelled surgery due to a small outbreak of gastroenteritis at a local hospital said: “I just hope there are no OC Transpo drivers in there taking my space.” Are drivers prone to gastroenteritis? Is she just unhappy with them? Ouch.
  • 4:07 PM Peter Raaymakers – David: Not sure how much information you can/want to give out, but do you know many councillors, aside from Doucet and Cullen, who have broken ranks on the record?
  • 4:08 PM Charmcor – I think she’s hoping they’re not getting her colostomy.
  • 4:12 PM David Reevely – @Peter If it’s on the record … well, it’s on the record in our news stories. In the lead-up to yesterday, I think it’s fair to say Doucet, Cullen and Feltmate expressed dissatisfaction with how things were going.
  • 4:13 PM Peter Raaymakers – @David: Have there been many others off the record?
  • 4:18 PM David Reevely – @Peter: Everything we know well enough to say for sure, we print. I’m not in the secrets business.
  • 4:18 PM Peter Raaymakers – @David: That’s certainly fair. I don’t remember what Feltmate said, though… is it in a published story?
  • 4:21 PM David Reevely – www.ottawacitizen.com Kanata South Councillor Peggy Feltmate said there are questions for today’s expected council meeting, including who is running the city’s strategy and the role of the mayor.”The issue is who is doing the strategizing here. There are some questions that have to be asked,” said Ms. Feltmate. “I don’t think it’s going to be an easy meeting at all.”

    She said that nobody believed in early December that a shutdown of transit would last this long and she is disappointed that the union did not meet with the federal mediator first thing on Monday, as the city had expected. She said Ottawa taxpayers are keen for a resolution but determined not to cripple the city financially in the process.

    “I want us back at the negotiating table and that doesn’t seem to be happening,” said Ms. Feltmate. “Both sides need to give a bit here.”

  • 4:23 PM Peter Raaymakers – It sure doesn’t seem like it’s been a very easy meeting, Feltmate is right about that.
  • 4:24 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – 13 hours behind closed doors and counting. That can’t be easy.
  • 4:31 PM Emma – Don’t know if you posted this, Nick, but something great for Ottawa students: a Google map with all of the school shuttle routes… octranspo.notlong.com.
  • 4:32 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – A live link to the below-mentioned link
  • 5:01 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – We’re still here, by the way. Waiting and doing other, more scintillating work.
  • 5:05 PM Peter Raaymakers – More scintillating that watching a blue screen and listening to buzzing speakers?
  • 5:11 PM Peter Raaymakers – Here’s an article from the Pensacola News Journal, that well-known publication: “Mass transit a right, not a privilege”
  • 5:12 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – My blue screen is gone. What does that mean?
  • 5:13 PM Stang – I just called a few councillors’ offices to book meetings. Their receptionists aren’t booking meetings for tomorrow…just in case.
  • 5:14 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Stang Thanks for that. Maybe Ottawa can set a record for both the longest in-camera council meeting and the longest liveblog.
  • 5:14 PM Peter Raaymakers – How long has our LiveBlog been going for? About 16 hours or so now?EDIT: Someone call Guinness.|
  • 5:14 PM Craig Davey – Yesterday, before they closed the door, did Council approve any minutes from previous meetings?
  • 5:15 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – 10:00 a.m. to 11 p.m. yesterday, and 11 a.m. until now.
  • 5:15 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Craig Not sure. What’s the significance?
  • 5:16 PM Craig Davey – The minutes don’t get published until they are approved. And right now there is quite a backlog.
  • 5:16 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Council is back!
  • 5:17 PM Peter Raaymakers – WHA… ? It seems almost impossible to believe.
  • 5:17 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – The city is now refuting some of the claims of the union.
  • 5:17 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – It’s Alain Mercier doing the talking.
  • 5:18 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – In the offer, he says, there is no mention of a 13.5-hour spread (as alleged by the union).
  • 5:19 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mercier says there is nothing to change weekend scheduling.
  • 5:20 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – He has so far listed and refuted six different claims made by the union related to scheduling.
  • 5:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – On recovery time for drivers after completing their runs: “They are pretending that a floor is a ceiling.”
  • 5:22 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – This is a pretty comprehensive attempt to systematically discredit the union.
  • 5:24 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mercier is going through a history of scheduling
  • 5:24 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – (He’s reading off the Powerpoint slide — What a speaker!)
  • 5:25 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 5:27 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 5:27 PM Craig Davey – The presentation is live on channel 22
  • 5:28 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 5:29 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 5:29 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – It’s just easier to get these slides on the record here, for reference. Please excuse the large pictures.
  • 5:31 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mercier on safety. Drivers would get:
    Maximum 14 hours driving in a row
    Minimum 8 hours between continuous shifts
    Minimum 1 day off every 14 days
  • 5:32 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – “There are too many short, inefficient runs” — Too many operators to run buses than necessary
  • 5:32 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – OC Transpo wants to pay less overtime.
  • 5:32 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – OT has grown by 400% since 1997, Mercier says.
  • 5:34 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 5:34 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mercier said the KPMG finding outlined below is “a wake-up call to both management and the union”
  • 5:35 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Union exec is focused on recovery time, Mercier says.
  • 5:35 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Management wants to secure public safety.
  • 5:36 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – The key to improve rest time is financing, he says
  • 5:36 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mercier is finished presenting.
  • 5:36 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Councillor Bloess is speaking.
  • 5:38 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bloess: Are we the only city who schedules and allocates runs this way?
  • 5:38 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mercier: Yes.
  • 5:39 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bloess: Did we plunk scheduling on the table with short notice? (Paraphrased)
  • 5:40 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mercier: It has been an issue for awhile. Both sides made demands on scheduling as long ago as February.
  • 5:40 PM Craig Davey – Mercier asserts that no other transit authority in North America (or Europe) uses a scheduling system like Ottawa’s.
  • 5:41 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bloess: But scheduling wasn’t discussed throughout?
  • 5:41 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mercier: It was part of the package, but big items wouldn’t be brought in until the fall. Both parties worked on a common schedule (pun intended?)
  • 5:42 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Three transit systems in Canada that are federally regulated: OC Transpo, STO, and …. Guess.
  • 5:42 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – OK, fine. Windsor.
  • 5:43 PM Craig Davey – Tunnel bus is awesome!
  • 5:44 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – I’m always reminded that councillors and provincial and federal politicians, when sitting around a committee table, turn into quasi-journalists during question-and-answer periods.
  • 5:45 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Councillor Deans speaks.
  • 5:46 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Deans: Cannot understand why safety regulations that affect most municipalities in Canada don’t apply to the City of Ottawa (or Gatineau, or Windsor) transit services
  • 5:47 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Councillor Wilkinson: Was there a threat to lock out ATU members?
  • 5:47 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mercier: “Rhetoric of the press”
  • 5:47 PM Craig Davey – Deannes can’t understand why federal safety standards don’t apply to Ottawa
  • 5:48 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Craig … or Windsor!
  • 5:48 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Deans, by the way, wants to petition the federal gov’t to change those rules.
  • 5:49 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – (36 watchers on this blog. An all-time high!)
  • 5:51 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mercier: “I am the ultimate authority.” (Cue evil laugh)
  • 5:51 PM donato – 37 watchers
  • 5:51 PM Emma – 38!
  • 5:54 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Mercier: There are times when bus drivers can’t book 80 hours over two weeks before others book overtime shifts. Given that, junior operators do have difficulty reaching their minimum hours.
  • 5:54 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Councillor Chiarelli speaks.
  • 5:55 PM Craig Davey – Councillor Rick Chiarelli asks if the federal safety standards would be applicable in a civil case.
  • 5:55 PM Craig Davey – Lawyer says probably.
  • 5:55 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – O’Brien: That’s it for Mercier on scheduling.
  • 5:55 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Motion time at council.
  • 5:57 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Deans (seconded by Bellemare): Motion to petition federal mins of labour to amend regulations as they apply to bus operators employed by City of Ottawa
  • 5:57 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – (She mentioned this in an earlier line of questioning)
  • 5:57 PM donato – they are trying to petition the Federal Gov’t on work/rest rules for 3 exempt municipalities? This will not get buses on the road for years! unbelievable…
  • 5:57 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Motion is carried.
  • 6:00 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Bedard (seconded by Legendre): Motion that the city is a) willing to negotiate a work scheduling regime to create a safe, reliable system through work-rest rules, b) request that ATU appoint a fact-finder to get work-rest facts
  • 6:00 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Cullen: Yes
  • 6:00 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Wilkinson: yes
  • 6:00 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Leadman:
  • 6:00 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Yes
  • 6:01 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – OK, I’m going to stop. They’re all voting yes
  • 6:01 PM james – thats it after 2 days they do nothing?
  • 6:01 PM Craig Davey – Ottawa Sun: Doucet apologizes for transit comments
  • 6:01 PM donato – they took off the scheduling issue and the productivity bonus of $2500
  • 6:01 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – @Donato Thanks, I missed those in the motion’s summary
  • 6:02 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Someone in the audience applauds unanimity.
  • 6:02 PM Craig Davey – RECESS!
  • 6:02 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Council is putting on a heck of a united face.
  • 6:03 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Coun. Clive Doucet has apologized to city council for remarks he made earlier this week.”My words should have been more carefully considered” said Doucet. “I have the greatest respect for those who work for the city and sincerely regret any hurt I may have caused.”
  • 6:03 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – That’s from the linked-to Sun story
  • 6:04 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – The news leading up to the vote was the City’s offer that scheduling could be made a “non-issue’ if the union could find cost savings elsewhere. Two days of in-camera meetings later, and they essentially formalized that opinion.
  • 6:07 PM Chad – You would think that management could find its own cost savings
  • 6:10 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – The city, as long as the union agrees, will hire an independent, third-party “fact finder” to report to both sides on the city’s new scheduling proposals that have led to the now 37-day-old transit strike, city manager Kent Kirkpatrick said Thursday. At an open session of city council following a 14-hour closed-door session, the city manager said it has become clear to the city that its position on scheduling isn’t understood by members off Amalgamated Transit Union Local 279.
  • 6:10 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – And, added to that story (and missed by this blog, which hadn’t yet loaded the council webcast): The open session of the meeting kicked off with Capital Councillor Clive Doucet apologizing for criticising Mayor Larry O’Brien’s handling of the labour dispute.
  • 6:12 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Recess over
  • 6:12 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – John Manconi, manager of city services (public works) explains mitigation strategies, phase 3
  • 6:13 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Transitway open to organized shuttles
  • 6:13 PM Peter Raaymakers – How long will this independent, third-party “fact-finder” take to present a report on the scheduling issues? I wish that idea was brought up earlier in the strike, when it became abundantly clear that no one on either side could agree what the new scheduling options would mean for operators.
  • 6:13 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 6:14 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 6:14 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – 2 stretches of Transitway that could be considered for traffic.
  • 6:15 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 6:16 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 6:17 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Missing clause on that slide:
    “…OPS are not familiar with transit by-law” (OPS=Police)
  • 6:18 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Marconi: Logistical issues regarding snow clearance on Transitway
  • 6:19 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 6:20 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 6:20 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Next slide: Police need access to Transitway in case of catastrophe
  • 6:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – City liable if general traffic is permitted on Transitway
  • 6:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – 300-400 cars per hour accommodated if Transitway is opened, Marconi says. Based on that, Transitway should not be opened.
  • 6:21 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Next: Parking measures.
  • 6:22 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey –
  • 6:22 PM Craig Davey – BIA and the City agree on a
      discount on parking for cars with more than three passengers.

    • 6:23 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – BIA says parking rates should remain, but that rates should be reduced from $3 to

    .50

  • 6:23 PM Craig Davey – No major adjustments to other parking and stopping regulations.
  • 6:24 PM Craig Davey – Staff is recommending that the outdoor staircases around the Rideau Centre should be maintained for pedestrians.
  • 6:25 PM Craig Davey – Also recommending to maintain a pedestrian link through the Experimental Farm.
  • 6:25 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – Want to ski downtown? Accommodations for that are being considered!
  • 6:27 PM Craig Davey – Recommending an automatic retroactive discount for monthly street parking permits.
  • 6:28 PM Craig Davey – No red and white signs for ride sharing.
  • 6:28 PM Craig Davey – Adding more car-pool pick-up and drop off locations.
  • 6:29 PM Peter Raaymakers – We should consider making alternative, non-vehicular transportation measures like shovelling staircases, rewarding and enticing carpoolers, and allowing for things like skating and skiing to work all the time.I also believe that city staff has been keeping bike paths clear if snow, wherever possible; can anyone confirm or deny that?
  • 6:29 PM Craig Davey – 20 more Para Transpo vehicles on the road on Jan 19
  • 6:30 PM Alayne – To say that lack of lighting is a problem with plowing pedestrian/cyclist links is absolute garbage! Have they never heard of LED bike lights, or flashing turtle lights? People walk these paths in the dark All the Time in the spring/summer/fall. It’s good that they’re opening up the Experimental Farm links, but clearing the NCC/city paths around Hurdman should have been an even higher priority, because that it is a very difficult area to bypass because of the Queensway.
  • 6:30 PM Craig Davey – City service centres will begin processing refunds for OC Transpo pass holders today.
  • 6:31 PM Craig Davey – Tim Marc, senior legal consultant, explaining that Transitway is not a public highway.
  • 6:34 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – For a few minutes, this blog will go silent. Unfortunately. Be back soon!
  • 6:39 PM Craig Davey – Doug Thompson: Fails to understand why a lane of Bronson Ave. around Findley Creek can’t be re-opened to ease morning congestion. Asks staff if something can be done.
  • 6:39 PM Craig Davey – Staff will look into it.
  • 6:39 PM Craig Davey – Eli El-Chantiry: Is it possible to open the transitway to traffic?
  • 6:39 PM Craig Davey – Eli El-Chantiry: Why can school bus drivers use the transitway?
  • 6:39 PM Craig Davey – Alan Mercier: Further discussion is needed.
  • 6:39 PM Craig Davey – Eli El-Chantiry: We don’t give the public any information, why? People are panicing.
  • 6:39 PM Craig Davey – Staff: We monitor the media and we are using paid media to try and get our message out. Some people are getting the message, some are not. We need to keep working on it.
  • 6:44 PM donato – union website has proposed savings…
  • 6:44 PM donato – ottawatransitstrike.com
  • 6:44 PM Craig Davey – Rob Jellet: Does the highway act govern the bus lanes on Highway 174?
  • 6:44 PM Craig Davey – Staff: Yes.
  • 6:44 PM Craig Davey – Rob Jellet: We still get emails daily asking why we can’t use bus lanes? And why we police are parked in bus lanes.
  • 6:44 PM Craig Davey – Ottawa Police: We identified intersections were officers are stationed to enforce traffic regulations. They are positioned on the side of the bus lanes and move out of the way for emergency vehicles.
  • 6:44 PM Craig Davey – Rob Jellet: People think the police are just sitting there waiting to give them a ticket. We need to clarify to the public the activities of these officers.
  • 6:52 PM Craig Davey – Staff: Not really.
  • 6:52 PM Craig Davey – Rainer Bloess: Are there more considerations for parking lots for car pooling?
  • 6:52 PM Craig Davey – Staff: We will look into it.
  • 6:52 PM Chad – How come noone seems to care about cyclists and their needs during the winter?
  • 6:52 PM Craig Davey – Marianne Wilkinson: People are walking everywhere. Can we improve snow clearing especially is non-central areas.
  • 6:52 PM Craig Davey – Staff: We’ll look into. We are doing extra clearing everywhere. Let our office know about specific areas.
  • 6:52 PM Craig Davey – Marianne Wilkinson: Its a lot of work for people to drive other around, how will we thank these people.
  • 6:52 PM Craig Davey – Staff: We are providing incentives for cars with 3 or more people, but we won’t open the transitway to the public.
  • 6:52 PM Craig Davey – Staff: Today we have three new agreements with private bus companies that allow them to operate on the
  • 6:52 PM Craig Davey – … transitway.
  • 6:52 PM Craig Davey – Marianne Wilkinson: Talking about traffic going to Hockey games.
  • 6:55 PM Craig Davey – Marianne Wilkinson:
      parking discount. Carpools drop passengers off, how will the discount apply if drivers have already dropped off their passengers?

    • 6:55 PM Craig Davey – Mayor O’Brien: Too much detail, move on.
    • 6:55 PM dave0 – @donato, I don’t see any savings on the union website — just complaints
    • 6:56 PM Peter Raaymakers – Sorry about the sporadic nature of my message approvals, and thanks to Craig for keeping us posted on the goings-on.
    • 6:57 PM Craig Davey – Gord Hunter: How about bikes on the transitway? We probably can’t open it up but maybe we can look the other way when somebody rides their bike on the transitway.
    • 6:58 PM Peter Raaymakers – Hey-o! There’s some creative thinking, GordO.
    • 6:59 PM Craig Davey – Staff is explaining that you can’t park in front of bus stops so that people can use them for carpooling.
    • 7:00 PM donato – see article
    • 7:01 PM Craig Davey – Mayor: Thanks to everyone, these deliberations aswered a lot of questions. Moving on …
    • 7:01 PM Craig Davey – They are looking for a presentation on mitigation considerations.
    • 7:01 PM Craig Davey – They found it
    • 7:02 PM Craig Davey – Staff: 10,000-15,000 more daily requests for taxis durring the strike.
    • 7:05 PM Craig Davey – Staff is talking about the Provincial assistance programs available to disabled and poor residents.
    • 7:09 PM Craig Davey – Client services staff have partnered with OC Transpo customer support staff to handle overloaded 311 service.
    • 7:10 PM Peter Raaymakers – It will be a little quiet for the next little while, but I’ll be back as soon as I can!
    • 7:49 PM Craig Davey – Rob Jellet: Recommends that staff consider refunding a portion of the transit levy.
    • 7:49 PM dave0 – @donato – article is still just complaints. Granted, some of them appear valid, but it’s certainly not a proposal for cost savings. Such a proposal needs to, you know, actually mention the savings somewhere.
    • 7:49 PM Craig Davey – Doucet introduces motion to have weekly council meetings until the strike is over. The motion is carried.
    • 7:49 PM Craig Davey – They moving through a slew of motions.
    • 7:49 PM Craig Davey – Deans moved that the two day meetings end.
    • 7:49 PM Craig Davey – And it does.
    • 7:50 PM Craig Davey – CBC News: Ottawa council willing to budge on transit scheduling
    • 7:50 PM H – Transit strike will last another two weeks at least: city manager
    • 7:50 PM Craig Davey – CTV News: Council wants ‘fact-finder’ to look at scheduling issue
    • 7:50 PM Craig Davey – Ottawa Citizen: City prepared to hire ‘fact-finder’ in transit dispute
    • 7:50 PM Peter Raaymakers – Thanks everyone!
    • 7:50 PM Peter Raaymakers – Any final comments on the results that we’ve all seen and heard about now?
    • 7:57 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – I think we should give ourselves a round of applause, myself.
    • 7:57 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – What a liveblog!
    • 7:59 PM Janet – Thanks guys! This is a great liveblog – I will be tuning in for future meetings!
    • 7:59 PM Peter Raaymakers – Ooooh… can we do this for every meeting? I don’t know about that, but we’ll do what we can–especially when transit issues are on the agenda. Thanks, Janet.
    • 8:01 PM Craig Davey – Yes, we need to do it every meeting.
    • 8:10 PM Nick Taylor-Vaisey – It’s been a long couple of days, folks, but our work is done — for now. Tune in to TransitOttawa.ca’s next liveblog, whenever it might be. You can be sure we’ll let you know.

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